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Are going to win and what states are going to lose and does this require, you know, coverage for the pre-existing conditions and so on, the whole point i just want your viewers to understand, the point of this is try to replicate in healthcare reform what we did so successfully under bill clinton, a democratic president and republican congress in the mid 90s with welfare reform. we said we can't handle welfare at the federal level. it is exploding costs. more and more people on welfare. we turned it back to the states and let every one of the 50 states design their own programs and it was one ...

If republicans still spending hundreds of billions on healthcare is mean, tell me what constitutes nice? it's still covering people with pre-existing conditions is heartless, what shows heart? if keeping kids on your policy longer matters when democrats do it, how about republicans? if democrats bemoaning the republicans about paying for it, makes then clueless? if barack obama calls it a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, wasn't he the one that started this transfer in reverse exploding costs on the poor and the rich? no, this is not about a massive transfer of wealth. it's...

Because are not going to the doctor as much. >> michael: i employ healthy young men who don't need all of these mandatory benefits and their having to pay out just ridiculous amounts of premiums and deductibles. not only dimension of va, the fastest growing portion of our defense budget is tri- care, is health care, these exploding costs then will be on the left or democrats seems to want to address. we can afford it. >> harris: for young men, that's great, but bad health can come in an instant. >> michael: a lot of them on a catastrophic plan and they can get it. >> harris: let's talk about a...

Exploding costs on everybody and many states premiums are going up by 25%. i just got back from arizona where people are paying doubling of their premiums under obamacare, thousands of dollars more not less in their premiums. one of the core parts of this is that because people with preexisting conditions under obamacare literally you can be on your way in the ambulance to the hospital, and get insurance. that's not what insurance is about. so what we want to do in our plan is basically have a separate pool for people who do have a preexisting condition. i have two relatives with serious preex...

Republicans say are the failings of obamacare, the cost of premiums didn't go down, it went up for most people. most couldn't keep their doctor if they liked their doctor. what would you say are the biggest flaws of the affordable care act? >> well, i think you mentioned two of the biggest. the fact that people couldn't keep their own doctor and hospital, but i think the much bigger one was the exploding costs. i think that's what one of the leading factors that won donald trump the election. it was a couple of weeks before the election when the news came out that under obamacare premiums were...