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Myself that it's really hard to make the detonators work and electronics. you need practice. if you do this stuff on your own, yes. if you do this as a job, work with your hands, yes, but i don't think neither of these two men did. but on the other hand, there's no explosives expert will tell you need hands-on practice for a very long time, especially when you're making these things go off under pressure like a gun fight, or you're placing bombs. you just can't count on people -- >> you've actually made these devices? >> yes. i was down in huntsville two years ago and atf runs a course down th...

Went down to huntsville, alabama. the atf put me through a course and let me observe it and there were explosives experts from afghanistan and iraq, american soldiers that came and knew their explosives, but in order to learn the homemade devices they had to go in to a course that was several weeks long. they just had to. they were creating their own detonators, but it's not something they could read from a manual and actually make these things go off. they had to sit through the instruction. they were careful about it. they needed to be mentored and as i said, they were already experts with y...

Prepoled at that you start to understand why these injuries were so grave. a lot of the wide net for this investigation, we're going to go to cnn's barbara starr. she's live at the pentagon keeping track of which way the investigation goes on the forensic level. barbara, thank you for joining us. what's the latest? >> well, chris, john, what we know is you're making a war zone analogy. it is very apt in this case. u.s. military sent the navy explosive ordnance team to help with detonation and looking at the devices. and the military, with its years of experience in iraq and afghanistan, in fac...

There's significant amount of just stuff inside this apartment and the idea is to defuse the situation and try to secure as much of that as possible for evidence so it's a delicate organization as you mentioned, jon and continues to go on. and we will tcontinue to keep you updated. >> jon: so far so good in the attempt to defuse the situation. and the suspect left a myriad of devices that authorities found baffling, but so far put some of the best bomb minds on it. the task force of explosives experts from around the country have so far been able to defuse the devices to their satisfaction, no...

al asad's brother-in-law, his defense minister and security adviser. that kind of blow is this? >> it not only speaks to those individuals. we should cry no tears for their departure. assad now has to look around "360" degrees and try to determine where his weak points are. he's probably going to see that it is very, very weak in a number of places. so my suggestion is, and it's not based on any intelligence right now. but if you're looking -- if past is prologue, we can see assad to get out of the country. probably looking for some way to depart. maybe russia is facilitating that ma...