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Plan. there is something to break stalemate, it has to come in the next two months. we can sit around to talk abouthe republicans opposing the setting of the bush tax cut for wealthy. that is two years from now in may of 2011 he can't push that through the vote in congress. what we're talking about now is what are the concessions that the democrats will give republicans to join in on increase on the debt ceiling and avert unthinkable? government shutdown was possible. this is not possible. the republican leadership knows it and people who fund their campaign are freaking out on them behind the...

Pretend i'm a cutter and deficit reducer and work across the aisle as i did in 2008. i can get away with it. i'm clever. show you how i can do it. do it in half the speech a run all the way until the election day next year. demagoguing ryan and pretending i'm a centrist. >> hear it for bull clinton. bill clinton pulled that. bill clinton is much better than barack obama at that game. >> that is it for the panel. stay tuned as one of our own gets an extreme

>> well, then the onus fall on the republicans. that is probably what harry reid wants. >> bret: charles? >> i don't know how many times he gets the swing of the ball before people recognize he's not serious about the debt. as a.b. pointed out he had a commission and ignored it and "state of the union." he didn't use the word debt until he was more than halfway through that speech. then, of course, in the budget which does nothing except explode the debt. the fact that a.b. mentioned his people called up the gang of six on a sunday and said hurry up with the plan it doesn't even exist tells yo...

Won't. >> what we heard today was not political leadership, it was political broadside from the campaigner in chief. no coincidence when they launched the campaign we launched the effort to get the debt and deficit under control and get economy growing. >> a number of people noted that vice president biden was meditating about the speech about the president's plan or tired. not sure. had to show it before we got back to the panel on the politics. john, who is winning and losing the political battle here? >> the ryan budget changed terms of debate in washington. that is why the president was sm...