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They are flawed in a way that -- such a way that the very accidents they're supposed to stop from becoming disasters, those very same accidents can render them inoperable, can just take them out so they can't do their jobs. we knew that things could go wrong with blowout preventers. what we did not know is that if things didn't go wrong with them they still might not work. that by design some blowouts will just still happen, will just render the blowout preventers pointless. in other words, there is no fail-safe. if this thing here is the backup plan, it means there is no backup plan. we did n...

In addition we ought to look at what really happened to that blow-out preventer that bp was using or trans ocean was using, because that also should be fail-safe. relief wells are an idea but you're adding tremendous cost for virtually no gain. i'm not aware of anywhere in the world that is mandatory. and so before we would get into that in the u.s., i think we have to look at it in its totality. what's the risk reward relationship between doing something that significant. >> john, i appreciate your time and your expertise. thank you. >> thank you. secretary of state hillary clinton is askin...

Administration that we asked for more resources, we got them. we weren't really being denied resources. there were a few programs that needed money and the cia operations was probably one of them. but resources was not the problem. it was getting attention of senior leadership and getting them to decide things and authorize things. which they were reluctant to do. >> that brings us to the question of redundancy because obviously, there needs to be some level of redundancy in this process. but redundancy come up against what you're talking about, which is getting people's focus. how much redup ...

We weren't really being denied resources. there were a few programs that needed money and the cia operations was probably one of them. but resources was not the problem. it was getting attention of senior leadership and getting them to decide things and authorize things. which they were reluctant to do. >> that brings us to the question of redundancy because obviously, there needs to be some level of redundancy in this process. but redundancy come up against what you're talking about, which is getting people's focus. how much redundancy do you do is the right level of redundancy? how can we ev...

We put out probably 4.5 to 5 million barrels out of the reservoir. as we were talking about earlier, it takes more wells than just one to drain the entire reservoir. you get a big pressure drop around the well board. it won't drain as well. there is depletion going. >> bob, this idea about the sort of fail safe on this being okay, we're not going to be able to keep this thing capped, but we are with that new stack cap going to be able to withdraw 80,000 barrels of oil a day, that's the high end anyway, that could be captured by relief efforts for the cap, if they resume the oil flow. that's fi...