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Exploring issues that affect leaders in the U. S. And around the globe. About. Can the legal system resist a Political Campaign led by the president of the United States. My favorite weird anecdote of yesterday, at One Point Giuliani was running out of so many people to talk to, he had to talk to a fellow lawyer. Jay sekulow had a radio show. Here is jay sekulow interviewing Rudy Giuliani, his boss as the attorney. Listen. Mayor, i know youve said and ive said we want to see this come to closure soon here. Mayor . Yeah, we do. Its about time that it ends. I also think, and i hope the Special C...

Without it. >> this hemming and hawing by giuliani where it looks like he and mueller's team are going back and forth, and we don't know whether that's true or not because mueller's team are so mum and whether this is giuliani playing to the cameras. but i am curious, mueller could end this, as you just said, if he decides, you know what, i'm going to split the baby here. i'll do the subpoena that i know i can win, which is to question him about all of his actions as a candidate. and i punt the questions about obstruction. is that the fallback scenario here? >> i don't see robert mueller going...

These blues, either pennsylvania or michigan, will get him over the top. here's the fallback scenario. this is why we're talking about these states today. let's say clinton gets north carolina, for donald trump to win he needs pennsylvania, he needs michigan. now, democrats tell you that's unlikely. they say look at the history. they say look at the organization. donald trump's message all day long, anderson, has been brexit plus plus. that's what he's counting on. >> all right, john, come back. toit go to the rest of the panel. proud pennsylvanian michael smerconish joins us. cnn senior polit...