>> well, in history, some of the richest countries -- you could say that french was one of the richest countries. but it had this enormous level of inequality. >> let me just pause. so no 20th century example of one of the richest countries in the world falling into civil war? >> i can't think of a first world country off the top of my head that did fall into civil war, no? but that doesn't mean -- the united states in 1860 was the richest country in the world by far, right? and in the 20th century and in the 21st century, we are not talking about civil war as it was under in the 19th century,...