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Reversed himself the next day. i have to say, this fascinates me, i sat through all these focus groups when i was in congress and donald trump was running, the one thing people said about him, i may not agree with him on everything. but he means what he says. what we're seeing now is a president who not only does he means what he says -- but i don't think he understands what he's trying to say, so you've got a president who's not leading, but dancing around this issue. >> the question was on the -- even from republicans, before he was the nominee, they would say, well, he's not a real republic...

More significantly what you learned on the way up and on the way down and apply it to what is arguably one of the great could nun drums of the situation, how do you get the financial house in order. should i make it, that's what i intend to do. >> nia, what fascinates me, exactly what do you think he learned on the way down about how to get our financial house in order? >> right. absolutely nothing. on the way down, he had to pay a $70,000 ethics fine. the largest ethics fine in south carolina history. but there you have him trying to explain where he is and where he wants to go. i think he be...

In order. should i make it, that's what i intend to do. >> nia, what fascinates me, exactly what do you think he learned on the way down about how to get our financial house in order? >> right. absolutely nothing. on the way down, he had to pay a $70,000 ethics fine. the largest ethics fine in south carolina history. but there you have him trying to explain where he is and where he wants to go. i think he benefits from the fact he was never someone that led social conservative issues, was a box checker, was more leaning forward in terms of fiscal issues, and that's what he led with. so i think...

That if you are a big boy. >> bill, you are a big boy. you wear the big pants around here. >> bill: i have the big pants. >> that's exactly right. nobody will challenge that well, maybe. well, listen, he doesn't do it. you get somebody else to do it. >> bill: that's right. surrogates can do it. but he looks whiney when he continues -- >> he says we inherited this, we inherited that. code words. >> bill: we have heard it 50,000 times. what about holder? holder looks like he is in deep trouble. should they do the jeremiah wright on holder and kind of toss him out the window a little bit? >> are ...

Times. i've had to go to god for forgiveness, i've had to seek reconciliation. i'm also a 68-year-old grandfather. i think people have to measure who i am now and whether i'm a person they can trust. gregg: you're looking at calista his third wife. he earlier admitted infidelities. how is that issue playing among iowa citizens, matt? >> well one thing we've seen here in iowa with newt gingrich, he's one that iowa citizens know very well. he's been slow setting up a campaign organization here. he's been to the state effectively overt years. they know his policies. easy loud iowa citizens to loo...