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Brutal reporting experience of my career. >> tell me, ways the point of the book? and why should we take roger ailes so seriously? why is he not just a very clever guy running a very successful cable news show, which actually is watched by 3 million or say, 315 million americans. why put him on a pedestal of power? >> that's a great, fascinating question. and it gets to the heart of this book. the reason i reported this book is that roger ailes speaks to every single american, whether they watch fox or not. his ability to frame the news and drive a message is so powerful through fox that he is...

315 million americans. why put him on a pedestal of power? >> that's a great, fascinating question. and it gets to the heart of this book. the reason i reported this book is that roger ailes speaks to every single american, whether they watch fox or not. his ability to frame the news and drive a message is so powerful through fox that he is affecting every single news story, whether viewers watch fox or not. so it is of tremendous importance for viewers to understand who this man is and how he thinks. >> the weird sort of dichotomy, perhaps, of roger ailes, is that everyone knows him well, it ...

I think it's a perfectly legitimate valid to ask these questions, but yet we don't want to talk about that. so you can't say that we have talked about benghazi endlessly, because we haven't. we are still learning information about it. so, i think it's perfectly -- >> okay, let me bring in ryan. ryan, i want to ask you just about the other big thing that broke today on the christie story, which is that the feds are investigating whether he misused money raised from the sandy hurricane relief fund. i've got to say, i can't get too exorcised about this at the moment. am i right to see this as a b...

>> that's what i was told that it was going to be clinics, camps, you know, dealing with kids. that's what i was -- >> but when you watch that video, to have that moment, actually, what you were doing was being used as a stooge and a puppet for this regime. >> a puppet. >> look, can i ask you a question? >> sure. >> what would you do if they took your passport at a hotel and you went there, under false pretenses, if you will. not really knowing what you got yourself into. but you're in north korea. what does one do? >> let me ask a different question. how much did you guys get paid for this? >...

Attract non-traditional voters and that even though new jersey has this reputation as, frankly, a state that's full of corrupt politicians, he's something different. he won two terms in that state by overcoming all of that, by changing how business worked in that state. and, obviously, what we're learning over the last week or so, is putting a pretty serious accident in that reputation. >> okay, dana lash, you tweeted this. you said you don't have to be a christie fan, and you're not, really. i think we know that from the start, to note the startling difference between handling a bridgegate an...