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Interests and secure the ability to provide for the safety and security of the country. he could have gone over to your office -- he could have gone over to the aclu. >> why is the chairman of the judiciary committee in the senate, why is sensenbrenner saying we have to -- >> we have to take a quick break. i want you both to stay here. we'll pick this up in the next block. next, a final question for both of our guests. we want you at home to weigh in on today's fireback question.

Until you found the connections. >> the president's own review panel that included republicans and democrats said that this collection, this vault checked has not helped us solve a single terrorism threat. so the question is it costs billions of dollars, it's not effective, so why are we doing it? and it offends our values. >> governor, do you want to respond to that? >> i think it's a very important discussion. i think the president today initiated the discussion that i think this country is going to have for evermore. we live in an age that will be called digital forevermore. and digital wit...

Scanned. but the question is we're spending billions of dollars on technologies that haven't proven to be effective. now, i'm not talking about scanners. i'm talking about these data mining issues. >> let's stick with scanners for a minute. there have been remarkably few airplanes blown up and remarkably few people seizing airplanes since -- i don't like the -- i travel all the time. i don't like the system, but i've concluded that it is a necessary evil in a world where people would really do us harm. >> but they're also -- there has been a limitation on the use of sharp weapons. there's been...

>> you're not worried about government bureaucrats with that information? >> no. >> you were when the irs leaked information. >> listen -- >> if they pick up -- >> that's different. >> no, it's not. >> if they pick up his e-mail address in yemen, i want them to check it out. >> exactly. >> you want president obama to know which calls you make, too? >> only if it's a national security issue related to the defense of the united states. >> well, then we're in agreement because we believe those things should be narrowed. >> we're in agreement so i'm going to switch topics for a second and if to a ...

Their private information? we don't need to do that to catch the boston bombers. >> i want to stay first on cameras and see where you guys are on cameras. these are cameras that are taking lots of data into the camera. if you go to use your atm, if you do a variety of things, park your car in front of a hotel, lots of places now pick up data. >> right. >> and the data does turn out to be -- great britain, which is not moscow, not beijing, london, has the most security cameras in the world in response to terrorism. they caught the london subway bombers exmess itly because of the cameras. >> do ...