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That is where biden can push back, that is a reason he's leading by 15.5 percentage points because he looks like the best person right now to take on the kind of soviet duo of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and take on president trump at the same time. shouldn't we expect something on healthcare from vice president biden? that is the number one issue that people want the government to fix, based on this recent nbc "wall street journal" poll. >> you know i'm moderate in the democratic party, kind of endangered species. >> good we've got you on the couch. >> i do think, if i'm talking about...

I think, if you talk about fdr, and the safety net in this country, the hospital trust fund in medicare as exists today is going broke in about seven years, in 2026, and it will be, cover about 89 cents on the dollar of benefits. why not fix that first before you try and basically create government healthcare for everybody? >> well, what i mention was, i think the best option. would be to say, we're going to lower premiums on obamacare. we need to fix obamacare, that is what i would do. obamacare, 30 million people, got health insurance, didn't have it, it was his main legacy. i would brag abo...

So obsessed with them, how that is -- like why is he so obsessed with me? i don't know how that plays long term with voters who are kind of sick of the sniping back and forth and name calling. >> or how it plays with somebody who is worried about the future of the economy in their town or how much is the "green new deal" going to cost and should it be medicare for all or fix obamacare. it does blow out the other candidates. the other democrats are trying to find some way to get attention. the mayor of south bend gave a very thoughtful speech on his view of the world. and in it there is a part ...

Medicare for all, but fix obamacare. >> now what democrats are saying is if you like your insurance, we're going to take it away from you from 180 million people that get their insurance from their employer and like it. or 20 million americans who are on medicare advantage and love it. that seems like a bad opening offer for me. >> and senator, i'm well aware that you believe that look, you were in favor of obamacare but it was not your first choice. i know that. as you know there's a lot of voters who voted for democrats in 2018 to fix obamacare first and then and see should it be something d...

Premium increases that are hurting west virginia families and so we're focused on that. but joe manchin wants to divert attention in a topic where there is no difference between the candidates. let's focus on getting rid of obamacare's ridiculous premium increases. we got rid of the mandate in the tax bill that joe manchin voted against. it is time we make changes to help hard working men and women in west virginia give them the kind of healthcare choices that they deserve. >> eric: you're an attorney general, chief law enforcement officer of your state. what's the reaction to your state and t...