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The lawsuit by saying that the boy's death was caused by his own actions. i'm sure you have people that apalled by this. >> i'm shaking my head. and again, it does not make sense. less than 2 seconds from when police pulled on the scene this 12-year-old boy was shot and kill ed killed. he didn't even have an opportunity to kind of comply, if you will. this does not make sense. children should not be shot in the streets of the united states of america. and i'm disappointed. >> the police lied about what happened and the video showed it was wrong. he looks big and intimidating. >> let me. come t...

Where police -- let me back up. every time i hear one of these stories it makes meso angry and i think the police have lost their minds. but it is an empirical question whether or not civilians are in circumstances where they are more or less likely to be in confrontations with police. what do we know? is it getting better or worse? >> the short answer is we know way less than we should. in the big cities by all accounts and from all the data i have reviewed the numbers of police involved use of forces are going down dramatically. but we have to remember 75% of departments have people less tha...

When you look back, and we've watched several times the video of police storming into that building and ending this hostage situation. just looking at it from a tactical point of view, was that the right way to go? >> you know, i think absolutely the right decision. i think the dynamics changed inside. we don't know the reason they changed. could the hostage taker have heard police movement somewhere and started to change something? could he have on his own started to separate the hostages, maybe planning to kill some? could some have tried to escape or overpower him? at some point the dynamic...

Nvg -- night vision goggles -- on. looking towards the doors. there was a shot fired. we think it was the gunman firing a shot. we heard from one police officer saying that a hostage was down and at that point the police moved in. we saw a lot of explosive material, flash bangs as they're called, stun grenades to disrupt and startle the gunman. as police units move in from both sides of the cafe to try and get him before he could do any further damage. now, very dramatic scenes as we've seen more people pulled out and sean has reported someone is being worked on quite furiously by medical auth...

Team of what i count were four tactical police marched quietly up the stairs, fully loaded, guns bristling, throwing stun grenades and went in. there was a lot of gunfire, a lot of flash bangs and for a period of about 30 seconds the entire place, the martin place four court between our two buildings was lit up as the police went in to do their thing. there was gunfire ringing out from both sides. it was extremely dramatic. extremely tense. and now it seems to have settled down. obviously there is an end to this inside the cafe. >> chris, no sign of the gunman at this stage? >> say again? >> n...