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And potentially others is a counter to mr. putin's threat. there is still the potential threat of russia of weapons of mass destruction, both chemical and nuclear, and we have to be very aware of that. as john kirby said yesterday, the pentagon and intelligence agencies are watching that closely for the potential of any movement of those kind of weapons. by the way, i think we have to say and remind everyone that russia has used chemical weapons in the past at the same time doing the same kinds of criminal activities on the battlefield that actually relate to war crimes. it's just it's been mu...

This is really testing what's been built up. there's no allowance for it. >> you've been writing about the tension between justice and peace. how do you negotiate with someone when the entire world is essentially calling them a war criminal? >> reporter: yeah. that seems to be the great dilemma. we had reports of ukrainian negotiators saying they were getting close to a meeting between zelenskyy and putin over the weekend and all of these horrible images came through where zelenskyy said, how will we be able to negotiate when someone is doing this to my

Unravel putin's defense that he isn't responsible. that's new. that's different. >> always receipts and those images do not lie. nic, thank you for your analysis. joining us to dig deeper is zach which wolf. so nice to see you bright and early this morning. there's no precedent for trying a sitting president for war crimes. is it possible? >> like you said, there's no precedent. they could re-interpret the rome statute which is the treaty that created that statute. they could get creative and create a special tribunal or special court essentially through the u.n. although that's complicated ...

People. putin is strongly enmeshed. >> the ukrainian president zelenskyy, he went to bucha, he toured those scenes there and how do you sit down across the table and wage for peace when someone has been a brutal, brutal actor. you have to have trust. how do you trust vladimir putin? >>. >> reporter: this is the issue in dealing with him with anything. there was so much lying and subterfuge that led up to the invasion of ukraine. it will be difficult to trust anything the russians said at all heading forward. they will have to find a way to either force concessions or moderation or some sort of...