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Satellite-based system. the airplane regulates the system, they send it to a satellite system, the ground system sends it to air traffic control. this is what i use in the atlantic, it is mandated across the atlantic and also in europe. could it be turned off? dave and i discussed the technology that the transponder doesn't have an effect on it. i have to verify that. but to the best of my knowledge at least on the triple 7 you have to turn off the flight management computer in order to disable that system. >> you agree with that? >> yeah, i do, the point of this system is that it can't be tur...

This is used on the north atlantic. the reason the adsb, it was functional, i agree with jeff on that. but the reason it did not perform was because you have to have a participating air traffic control in the entire system. so i don't believe that they participated. as far as turning it off it is not the transponder that turns it off. what turns it off is a function on the triple 7 anyhow of the flight management computer, then it can be turned off. but next gen is going to the united states because we're participating in next gen. with these other countries, europe is participating. other cou...

Things, including the air traffic control system. the next process that came out, they would have information constantly about every other aircraft that may even cross their path. >> would it still be possible, les, if a pilot or a co-pilot were able to make a plane go missing, would it still be possible to do that, to make a plane go missing? >> well, dave and i talked about this new system, the satellite-based system. the airplane regulates the system, they send it to a satellite system, the ground system sends it to air traffic control. this is what i use in the north atlantic. it is mandat...

So it fits is what we are saying, and still a lot of skepticism if that is really the ping. >> well, les abend has a question. what do you want to nknow, les? >> well, marty, are you putting in a lat long to go to that position at a particular altitude? i'm not in the ffmc, and maybe should address that to mitchell? >> well, go ahead. >> that is what we we had discussed doing the very thing. >> first of all, i don't have the lat/long, and if i did secondly, on this particular fmc, i can't input it. the most i can do is to get the distance from perth, and west in the case, 120,000 miles whateve...

There's been a question as to the moment that plane checked in and essentially said, seemed to be locating itself between two different airports. what does that suggest to you? >> well -- >> were they trying to perhaps think in their mind that they needed to land? >> yes, absolutely. that's always been my contention, because everything was normal up until that's famous good night point and then they realized a problem was generated. smelled something, go with the smoke theory or toxic fume theory. they said we have a serious enough situation to head back to diversion airport and the captain wo...