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Happen like that, it happened remotely. also, the speed of eight means that you have to have groups in whatsapp, it works well, keep people out there and it can base their objections and make suggestions in the heat of the moment. there has to be a space where people post arguments, play devils advocate, float ideas that may be crazy but i was considering. without that, then the line, being exposed out of context as people who have made crazy suggestions at the time. there has to be a space where it is not a free for all. you do not want the editorial meetings of radio 5 live being in the publ...

Amounts of fraud. no one wants to talk about that. just want to throw more money at it. >> hmm. and we're showing some of the items in that build back better bill on the screen right now. it is sweeping legislation. back to kevin mccarthy. everybody knows how much he wants to be speaker of the house, still wanted to be when you were still in house of representatives yet he bends over backwards to please trump and then trump's allies, former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, float ideas like donald trump becoming speaker of the house. let's listen. >> i would love to see the gavel go fr...

And tony— of different sick community groups and tony blairand of different sick community groups and tony blair and david cameron and others _ and tony blair and david cameron and others and _ and tony blair and david cameron and others and just sat on a shelf gathering dust. i think we will hear a lot more — gathering dust. i think we will hear a lot more about that in the next few days — a lot more about that in the next few da s. �* , ., a lot more about that in the next few da s. �*, ., ., ., few days. let's move on from the david amess _ few days. let's move on from the david a...

And sometimes counter leaking from within government. sometimes it's tried to nudge opinion one way or the other. but you often get major announcements to trickle down by the press. you get this uncertainty hanging over every decision. i think it's quite terrible for the nation's mental health to be constantly living like this, particularly for people working in those sectors of the economy that still can't function because of the ongoing restriction. function because of the ongoing restriction-— restriction. susie, it's an interesting _ restriction. susie, it's an interesting point. - restr...

And senator mcconnell should put it on the floor for a vote. >> the meeting involving the vice president, is this something that's being entertained? do you believe the focus of that conversation, of that meeting will be how do we get government working again, perhaps put on the back burner, the whole wall issue, deal with it separately. what do you suppose is being entertained? >> meetings are important, even if the principals are not there, which they're not except for vice president pence, because you can see each other's point of view, try to look for common ground. you can put out various...