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ukraine, and those of a russian spy base in cuba. mike gallagher of wisconsin joined me now, chairman of the house select committee on china. welcome, good to see you again. you wrote this week for my newspaper that the administration is pursuing zombie engagement. what do you mean? >> reporter: like a zombie in a horror movie, rising from the grave the biden administration is bringing back diplomatic and economic engagement from the dead. there are three risks to this approach, the first, even to get to the negotiating table the biden administration is slow rolling steps to defend o...

I think a debate with those guys, more than we will with the two former presidents but what do you think newsom is up to? >> the governor of florida, ron desantis says he's not running against president biden. is tiptoeing and that direction trying to get himself a little bit more prominence. of president biden has a healthy sure some reason he withdraws from the race then gavin newsom is there. paul: is he running a shadow campaign for president? >> he might be but i agree about this debate. it would be fascinating to watch. we have two models of state in the united states and they are battli...

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