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Will report to the new chief of staff. does that include jared kushner? does that include steve bannon? everyone reports to kelly? >> that includes everybody at the white house. >> that was white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders earlier today outlining the white house chain of command, now that the new chief of staff, retired general john kelly has been sworn in and anthony scaramucci has left his post. but might that new flow chart be easier said than done? will the president's son-in-law and chief campaign now white house strategist really relegate themselves to talking to kelly ...

You cannot have a situation where junior positions can bypass the chief and go directly to the oval office much there needs to be order, a flow chart. everybody needs to follow it. and the key player -- >> does any of that matter with president trump and the way he flies off the handle on twitter? >> well, that's what we're going to find out. i think that his twitter habit, tweet being all things at all -- tweeting about all things at all hours will be a problem for kelly. he can get everybody on staff to fall in line. he can get rid of people who don't fall in line. at the end of the day, he'...

The white house is ultimately designed to fail. i keep saying we've never seen a flow chart like this. and you could say that times about 5. >> that's right. it's messy mp and you know there is a reason looking back through history there are few examples of presidents who brought family members into the white house in staff government positions. this is risky, it's unusual. the dynamic is very different. and i think there is a -- it's unclear what's happening here. clearly jared kushner has a lot of exposure when it comes to the russia investigation. he and his business interests and his finan...

President and the president's son-in-law. they feel good because he has the ear of the president. a lot of these issues are intractable, there's a reason they haven't been solved for a long time. i'm told jared kushner looks at the middle east issue as a real estate issue. and real estate is part of it. but president obama says, you can't want it more than the negotiators want it. you have to persuade people to take risks, bb, the palestinians. and that isn't about reali estate. it's about understanding the kind of courage it takes to make deals that could potentially hurt you. >> philip, i'm ...

But a lot of the issues are intractable there is a reason they haven't been solved a long time. i'm told jared looks at the middle east peace issue as a real estate issue. and yes real estate is a part of it. but the point is as president obama says, you can't want it more than the negotiators want it. the fact is you have to persuade people to take risks, bee bee, the battlenens and that isn't about real estate. that's about ujds the courage it takes to make the deals that could potentially hurt you. >> phillip, i'm wondering if you believe that this -- in setup in the white house is ultimate...