you cannot have a situation where junior positions can bypass the chief and go directly to the oval office much there needs to be order, a flow chart. everybody needs to follow it. and the key player -- >> does any of that matter with president trump and the way he flies off the handle on twitter? >> well, that's what we're going to find out. i think that his twitter habit, tweet being all things at all -- tweeting about all things at all hours will be a problem for kelly. he can get everybody on staff to fall in line. he can get rid of people who don't fall in line. at the end of the day, he's still working for somebody who likes to freelance, who is not disciplined about his message, who is very entrepreneurial in how he decides to lead. and it's very hard to accomplish big legislative deals and drive a sustained, displane -- disciplined message focused on an agenda when you have a president doing that, especially in the midst of the russia investigation where on any given day the president will get upset