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But the real work starts again tomorrow and i thought general keane -- curious to see what he things about the no fly zone and what may trigger that. but i think the president will have his handful tomorrow. i think they think they made great headway with ukraine in ukraine because of the nato partnerships and the fact that we have been together and tighten our response on ukraine and hopefully some of that will allow the president to enjoy some bipartisan support on the domestic issues. >> i can tell you there is no appetite for a no-fly zone at the pentagon, the administration, because they ...

Blinken said any no fly zone could lead to war in europe. they've been adamant the united states will not go to russia in ukraine. is there any point, general, where you think the nato or the u.s. will get milltarially involved? >> the way will get involved if there's some spill over. i don't know that would be an accident but if there was an engagement that caused any forces in any of our nato partners to be engaged in this. if russia made a mistake which they are liable to do, let's be frank. what you've described and what we have seen taking place at that nuclear power plant should not be s...

Is that something that -- >> it's a total nonstarter. a no fly zone is an act of war. if they wanted to impose, that they would be going to war with russia. we would have to send out over a massive amount of aircraft. they would tangle with russian aircraft. there would be combat between nato in the united states and russia. that would be a war. and president biden, and nato have been emphatic that they are not going to get involved in ukraine. and putin has been very dramatic in his threats to use nuclear weapons. it's something like that was to occur. whether you're serious or not, you can a...

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Risking directing cage men with russia? >> well what we can do, what we will do, and what we should do our very different questions. so ukrainians, i was on ukrainian tv today, and everybody in the ukraine, including on nbc, and msnbc tonight, are talking about a no fly zone. that's what they want. i just don't think that's practical. and i know that president biden is not going to do that. because no fly zone means that an american pilot would have to shoot down a russian plane with a russian pilot. and that could spark a war between the united states and russia. and that is an uncomfortable ...