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Felony counts doing everything he can to get the case against him then out of courts. There are big developments in beth of those stories, and were going to get to all of them this hour. But if theres one person that embodies the dual crysies facing the gop right now, the dual crises of chaos and Lul Criminality it is this guy, congressman George Santos, a Serial Fabulist who remains in the house despite being charged with 13 counts of fraud, Money Lawderring and theft. That staffer admitted to having made up Fake Campaign donations for Santos Campaign and that Conspiracy Charge is part of the...

But he -- has he come out and denounced trump, who always denounces him and said he should not be the nominee? i will fight against him? >> no. >> who was derelict of duty when the capitol was being attacked? should still be commander in chief again some day? no. he hasn't said that because it hasn't been in his political interests yet. so until he does that, joy, you said these are hard questions. these are not hard questions. >> they're not. >> they're craziness is that people treat them as they are. >> oh, no, if you're ron desantis and asked who is right, mike pence or donald trump, that's...

Biden wins wisconsin again by 20,000 votes, what would happen? do you think that the next time around a republican-dominated legislature in a republican governor might actually do the unthinkable and overturn the result and i am not confident whatsoever that they would not do that. so, i mean, when you say this is about 2024, you're exactly right. what is the point of the audits other than to discredit the election system, to plant doubt? and you're seeing this from the grassroots, but you're seeing it from the top. you have a leadership problem. you have a followership problem. donald trump g...

The common assumption is that elites are always hiding something, those people at the top are nowhere near as smart or as wonderful, as pure as all-knowing me. he ends with i don't know if america has a leadership problem. it certainly has a followership problem. i will let you respond but i also want to bring in -- one of the examples used is occupy wall street. that's an example of the incredibly self-important crowd, not partaking in the political system and fundamentally, this mistrust of institutions has not created better institutions because people aren't buying in. it's not because the...