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But everything else, for obstruct, or russia, or the cutouts, it sends the message you have to be a idiot not to understand. >> yeah, people say listen i'm about to obstruct justice. let's do this thing that is illegal. people speak in code and that makes it difficult to prove such a case. but when you look at a context, a pattern of behavior, a jury can be obstructed that you can't read someone's mind but you can use common sense to figure out what is going on here. >> michael cohen got a another legal question. as a former federal prosecutor and a state judge, there is a question now about i...

>> so you think this is, as a former prosecutor and there's been debate about what the actual statute and the criminal threshold is, the consciousness of the party involved. but you think this is another -- this is an example of something that you think is on its face obstruction of justice by the president of the united states? >> yes. and the most damning evidence are the president's own actions and words. no dispute he fired comey. no dispute that he told the russians that he did it to relieve the pressure on him. the white house does not dispute that account. that is obstruction of justice...

Influence, impede or obstruct, and the president has already done that. >> do you trust that this congress will take that seriously if that basic set of facts are reconfirmed in open hearing on thursday? >> i don't, but i do trust robert mueller. and i am very pleased a special counselor has been appointed. the appointment letter gives him vast jurisdiction not just to investigate trump/russia collusion but anything arising from that, and obstruction of justice would be a crime arising from that investigation. >> do you have confidence in the people around the president? i mean one of the thin...