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Person takes that an innocent person would not. and why would the president ask people to leave the room? because he knows what he's about to do is illegal. this is obstruction of justice, endeavoring to influence an investigation. we've seen so much evidence of this, and we're going to see comey talk about it as well on thursday. >> so you think this is, as a former prosecutor and there's been debate about what the actual statute and the criminal threshold is, the consciousness of the party involved. but you think this is another -- this is an example of something that you think is on its fac...

>> so you think this is, as a former prosecutor and there's been debate about what the actual statute and the criminal threshold is, the consciousness of the party involved. but you think this is another -- this is an example of something that you think is on its face obstruction of justice by the president of the united states? >> yes. and the most damning evidence are the president's own actions and words. no dispute he fired comey. no dispute that he told the russians that he did it to relieve the pressure on him. the white house does not dispute that account. that is obstruction of justice...