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Crosstalk. so, let me be specific. you say countries have interests — i understand that — but let's just look at what the french people could expect in foreign policy terms in terms from marine le pen. you said quite openly "berlin," — i'm quoting you — "berlin is not the right partner for paris in terms "of driving forward a european agenda." you have said that it would be absolutely wrong for the united states and western partners to impose sanctions, more sanctions on russia. you say it would be absolutely wrong for the united states to pressure nato to bring ukraine into nato. you ...

At what the french people could expect in foreign policy terms in terms from marine le pen. you said quite openly "berlin," — i'm quoting you — "berlin is not the right partner for paris in terms "of driving forward a european agenda." you have said that it would be absolutely wrong for the united states and western partners to impose sanctions, more sanctions on russia. you say it would be absolutely wrong for the united states to pressure nato to bring ukraine into nato. you say ukraine has no place inside nato. seems to me, in this current crisis we see in ukraine, you are quite clearly...

There? >> yes. pete: they said donald trump would blow up alliances. didn't joe biden instead? >> trump would never have left unless a proper deal had been struck between the afghan army and the taliban. that wasn't in place. so yes you're quite right it was donald trump that was going to ruin nato t was donald trump that was going to make america isolationist. he did the opposite. he was out there campaigning for peace, the "abraham accords," the fact he visited, crossed the line, north korea showed you he wasn't a warmonger president, trying in foreign policy terms to do good things with ame...

He believes what he thinks that the country would be better off in foreign policy terms with one of them. therefore, the most effective time to speak, the september of 2020 and stop the trump campaign. >> yes. i suspect you're right, that he would think any of the democratic nominees would be better than donald trump. but to pick up on maria's point, i think he does have an obligation to say something. jim mattis as just come out with a book. he says i still have the quaint old fashion notion that i shouldn't talk about a president who is in power. well, that is a quaint notion, but if you're ...

President is, and that's dangerous. i feel like he has an obligation to start talking right now, but perhaps money -- money. >> well, and also rick, go back to the campaign issue. if john bolton has seen how dangerous donald trump is, if he believes donald trump is danger in the presidency, dangerous remaining in the presidency, he's looking at the democratic candidates. there's not one of them that would have invited the taliban to camp david. there's not one of them who will exchange love letters with kim jong-un. john bolton has to look at democratic candidates and say if he believes what h...