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>> harris: pivotal hearing on whether he is immune from prosecution. >> you can't have a president without an interview, you have to be able to do your job. but if this didn't work out, if i wasn't given immunity, then other presidents, we talked about today, president obama with the drone strikes, which were really bad, they were mistakes, terrible mistakes, you can't put a price on that position. i think most people understand it and feel confident that eventually hopefully at this level, but eventually we win. a president has to have immunity. >> harris: this is "outnumbered," i'm...

Of law there. the power that is important, it rendered people powerless against decisions. if decisions are wrong, it is up to the court to correct. it is having faith in the system as it standing. whatever the decisions are, people respect courts rather than trashing them and to your point, that argue, you are right, both sides bring up founder arguments. >> kennedy: and 14th amendment which senator mike lee pointed out does not apply to the president and the president had not been charged with insurrection. >> emily: both sides are holding steadfast to what the forefathers meant in their arg...