Speeches and he has gone to iowa and new hampshire. i think the second part of it is people see desantis as more untested in some of these environments whether it's the pierce morgan interview and the trump indictment has backfired and you are seeing with recent poll. you would think something that i think a lot of folks thought would -- >> mike: fox poll basically showing that president trump seems to be strengthening while governor desantis seems to be weakening slightly to your point, garrett. there's also some interesting flirtation on the democratic side of the equation today. west virgin...