The ride pushed laterally or a hyperextension. >> and the medical examiner could identify that. >> by looking at the vertebrae and the fracture pattern, they should be able to determine exactly what happened to the head relative to the neck yes. >> and we've seen the video many times of -- of mr. gray being put into the wagon. he does appear injured in that way. now whether he's actually very seriously injured, that is something that we don't know. but you could see the defense saying look he was injured earlier. you can't blame us for what went on in the van? >> sonny, mark geragos said he be...