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Distancing himself from trump. look. you can't believe it till it happens, right? but does that tell you anything about what might be coming in the trove of documents the committee has obtained. >> yeah. so, you know, a couple things about mike pence, don. first, it's one thing -- and this point really needs to be made. it's one thing to make a statement in a speech. it's another thing to make it in a deposition or hearing or transcribed interview that is official and in the possession of the committee. and if mike pence were truly serious about this break from donald trump that we are talking...

>> well, i think there's two important reasons. number one, he's down there talking about the kind of governing he'll do. he bought a building and they came in under budget and ahead of schedule. that's the kind of government he wants to talk about bringing to washington. >> he can talk about that in ohio. >> right but look, here's the -- the second point, you're going to cover, it, cnn's going to cover it, abc is going to cover it. the bottom line, it doesn't -- right now, he's going to get national coverage talking about the message with the example behind him. he'll take off from that right...

Motivate my base and freeze the middle so they don't come out? the only way he can do that -- he's certainly not going to run on his record. the only way he can do that is go hard after mitt romney. the risk for barack obama is if he goes ugly early, it is going to splash up on him and people are going to see right through that. and i think it could really hurt him with independent voters. >> you just used the word "ugly." it is ugly to say that mitt romney is quite flexible in his position taking? is that ugly, to say something that seems to manifest? >> no, but i don't think necessarily that...

moammar gadhafi has not been found but his son has reappeared. here's video from a short time ago. safe, unexpectedly materialize in front of cameras in tripoli. the opposition forces have claimed they had him in custody. apparently not. in any case, not any more. >> translator: gangs of people who are sabotagers and you could ski the people of libya are standing and have broken the spine of those rats and gangsters and today, we'll go in the old hot spots of tripoli, in tripoli, and we'll reassure the people that things are fine in libya. now on a walk about in tripoli and in the pl...