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from you in person, instead of hearing from the media. >> this is the first time, and the only time that i had threat conversation with him. and i said -- >> i would like to see just speak to you at some stage -- >> to get your side of the story, effectively. >> i cannot be there in march. i'm going to iraq for he said he was very busy, because involve the saddam, rack at the time. >> i will be there -- >> very polite, very sincere. >> i can bring you documents, if you want. [inaudible] >> i arranged a meeting with him. [inaudible] >> the day came, i waited, he didn't turn up. all th...

And by fraud standards, i was tipping towards the long period. >> i had a new text at the time from -- >> i recall coming into the case, and essentially, it was jerry investigating all lines of inquiry on his own. he said, who's heading up the investigation then? and i said, it was me. and he asked, who else was on the incident? and i said, only me. i was in a position to actually interview di stefano and offer him the opportunity to explain himself. >> there is always a second side to the story, and a real challenge in this case we didn't have di stefano point of view or his explanation. >> i...

<div class="section-heading"> <h2 id="chapter-0">Minutes</h2> <p>Date of meeting: 14 June 2022</p> </div> <div class="section-heading"> <h3 id="chapter-0-0">Item 1: Welcome and introductions</h3> <p>The Chair welcomed members and provided an overview of the agenda for the meeting.</p> </div>