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I've heard that it's really kind of, the people i've talked to said that it's unlikely that it would have occurred. but assist clethere's a clear c during the government shutdown that the ntsb wasn't able to investigate other accidents and they weren't able to act on safety issues, so the shutdown is bad for aviation safety. whether, specifically, it can be ti tied to what happened here, maybe senator blumenthal knows something that i don't know. >> thank you all for being with us. justin green, fred teesy and david susie. all of your insights are much appreciated. we're following two other ...

When they put them on the ground, the u.s. was down to being about the only holdout in the world still trying to fly these planes. so the president said, he was a big fan of boeing, he spoke with boeing executives, he spoke with some of his own people in the administration and conclude ed this was the measure they needed to take. he also, though, i pointed out he's a big fan of boeing, he also praised boeing during the middle of all of this, talking about, you know, it's a strong company, they'll be back, they'll fix this program, this plane out there. and he has been a huge booster of boeing ...

Maybe there is something we overlooked. let's look at it again. >> fred, i'm looking at some of these complaints, these past concerns of pilots and i want to walk through a couple with you. one says the flight manual sis inadequate. there's another one i'm reading where it says, within two to three seconds during takeoff, the autopilot was engaged and, quote, within two to three seconds, the aircraft pitched nosedown in a manner steep enough to trigger the plane's warning system, which sounded, "don't sink, don't sink." another complaint saying the fact that this airplane requires such jury ri...

David soucie is a former faa safety inspector and the author of "why planes crash" and justin green is back with us, as well. david, you first, your reaction now to the president's decision. >> i think it's a bold move, but it had to be done. i'm surprised that, frankly, that elaine chao, director of transportation or elwell, the faa administrator hadn't made this decision before. i'm not sure why it had to get to that level. i'm certain that the president spoke with elaine chao about it, i would presume. i guess i'm not certain, but i would presume that he spoke with her about it. so the fact...

>> are you saying professional juries? >> not saying that. but if we're going to do this, we need a better system. maybe a 1 to 10 system where 10 is totally delusional. and if your level of insanity is 8 to 10, maybe then you get the benefit of the insanity defense. >> jurors want accountability for the actions that people take. and unless and until you can establish that someone is real insane not knowing right from wrong, they're going to find you guilty. >> i'm so tired every day on the show of covering mass shootings and incidents like this where there are such sick mental health issues o...