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I think he should shoot down, first of all, no matter what cory says. he starts talking about the situation with police in newark, certainly cory knows more about that than biden will ever know in a briefing session. and the danger of that is you do get gaslighted. you go into a situation where you don't all the facts. and what cory has to say is what you don't know, mr. vice president, is i hired x many new policemen from that group and biden says oh, i didn't know that. it's tough to go into the other guy's territory. >> i hear you, but i think what the lesson of the first debate was, that i...

>> let's talk serious stuff. you know how to do this. i think it's a mistake for biden to go into cory booker. i think he should shoot down, first of all, no matter what cory says. he starts talking about the situation with police in newark, certainly cory knows more about that than biden will ever know in a briefing session. and the danger of that is you do get gas lighted. you go into a situation where you don't all the facts. and what cory has to say is what you don't know, mr. president, is i hired x many new policemen from that group and biden says oh, i didn't know that. it's tough to go...