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So all of that made it seem like the prospects for democrats figuring something out, coming to some kind of resolution, it seems like those prospects were getting skp and oo. but then today apps. from the first time these talks began, you have a lead investigate or, jayapal, somehow managing to get into the same room as one of the two elusive senators holding up this deal. from the very beginning, for those of us who aren't politicians, for those of us who watch this because we care about the policy and the human drama of it, those of us who are not politicians instinct actively felt, couldn't...

I am really proud of the caucus for what we did to actually get the build back better act onto the table and have us negotiating on it, have a real discussion around it. because unlike the bipartisan bill which you and i talked about and i think we were both kind of skeptical, honestly, that it was going to get done. but it took five months and eventually it got done. but this also has really only been two weeks of negotiation. it's only since the progressive caucus said we're not going to do one without the other, that we then were able to get people to take this negotiation seriously and com...

Biden. it is nbc news garrett haake that held a meeting with president obama, and she had another meeting with a guy named joe in the middle of this drama. she had a building with the people who need to fight this out. senator manchin is one of two, count them, two -- who will has. i want to do exactly sure, whether they want to cut it, they don't care if it's smaller or if they should cut different things. it depends how good the mood is on.

Finally did get in the room together, personally. one on one. >> let me explain what happened. these are the first real signs that hd-4, how to do those it frozen indicationing. the white house has subpoena ream. tm dodge wachlt throughout this whole process mpl. she successfully mobilized

Large in ways that people who aren't u.s. presidents almost never, ever attain. joining us now is nbc news historian michael beschloss. mr. beschloss, it's wonderful to see you tonight. >> thank you, rachel, for having me, and you beautifully captured colin powell who we're thinking about tonight. >> let me tell you about this frame and why i wanted to call on you about it today. i do think there are, sort of in the early days of american history, some of the founding fathers, some of the important founding fathers were never presidents, and some of the most important figures in u.s. history, ...