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It's why people that work with their hands or work with their brains and create something and grow a business or grow or support a public service, teaching, police, fire, health care, head start, whatever, that they contribute in their reasonable adequately rewarded for that and nothing to me more american than that value of working hard and being able to have a middle-class lifestyle as a result. >> governor o'malley, your colleague up there, your republican colleague, i should point out up in wisconsin gorkt a phone call. it's one of those prank calls. they're sometimes very useful to figure...

It has nothing to do with what the people who elect us want us to do. i mean, look, we've had to have the difficult conversations in maryland with our public employees unions,ç but we brout people to the table to solve the problems. were people happy? no. but we've got to find a way to move forward. this is absolutely crazy. these guys apparently want to take advantage of their recession to drag us back to the days of hoover and coolidge. this has nothing to do with create be jobs. >> let's take a look at the game that the other side, the other governors, the republican governors, seem to be...

Nothing else does. >> yeah, i just found out today that their sweet crude, as it's called, is the very kind of oil that they need in europe because their diesel engines over there, they use much more diesel. anybody who goes to europe on a vacation can smell the diesel fuel over there and that's what makes them so reliant on libya's sweet crude, which is the engine -- which is the oil they need for their refineries. thank you so much, robin wright, as always. up next, does president obama have more to gain or lose -- more to lose with his reversal? the defense of marriage act. he's not going...

Apology accepted. [ laughter ] >> well, good for jon stewart. it's in "the sideshow" tonight but nothing fun beit. senator sherrod brown is an ohio democrat, and maryland governor marty o'malley is the chairman of the governor's association. gentlemen, it's great to have you on. this is one of the most interesting political fights that we've come along in a long time. you have republican governors in states where they dominate their legislator, pennsylvania, ohio, indiana, michigan and wisconsin, they own those states politically. they're using this unique ability of power, really, to destroy ...

With rick not and florida. i think snyder, if he got a little bit more support, probably could do that in michigan phen you start going down the list, you know a lot of us -- there's a lot of us new governors who got elected to do something big. >> you're the first domino. >> yep. this is our moment. >> this is our moment. you know i was thinking of the movie, governor o'malley, i was think other movie "goonies" the kids were going after one-eyed wiley and this is our moment. i know what i'm talking about. this is our moment? what is he talking about, governor? that this is their chance to nai...