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Wrong. isn't there a difference? >> it's a very slippery slope. he had a staff of two dozen people. he has people trained to help him spin the lawmakers. and all the lawmakers know they're going to get the story that the general wants them to hear and he's going to make his case. but what he did wrong here was going to a completely different set of people who are trained essentially to be a weapon. >> brainwashing. brainwashing. the stuff you do when you get a prison and interrogate him. the stuff you do when you're trying to screw up the enemy on the other side when you want to get this infor...

Class size. and the police officer said one óf the things that some police officers do is bargain over actually having bullet-proof vests. it's about safety and education. it's not only about their wages. it's about lifting people in this country up, and that's what collective bargaining has done, by creating the middle class for the last eight decades. >> that's true. and i agree with you philosophically completely, governor. but in ohio, 1 in 12 private sector employees organized. maybe two or three times that percentage of public employees. let me ask you about what goes on. is that becaus...

That the general wants them to hear and he's going to make his case. but what he did wrong here was going to a completely different set of people who are trained essentially to be a weapon. >> brainwashing.ç brainwashing. the stuff you do when you get a prison and interrogate him. the stuff you do when you're trying to screw up the enemy on the other side when you want to get this information, right? >> i think what wound up happening was pretty innocuous because the unit itself was resisting this order. i think most of what they did was pretty standard backgrounds dociers. >> we know where ...

Sector intimidating employees out of organizing? public sector employees tend to organize much more frequently than private sector employees. why is that the case? >> that's to me or the governor? >> you, senator. >> well, in part because of the huge industrial job loss has been overwhelmingly good-paying union jobs that have been outsourced to china, gone to mexico, whatever. there have been very sophisticated and expensive anti-union am pains aimed at organizers when we try to organize. i think almost all surveys show that many, many, many more people who aren't in unions would like to join ...

>> they ought to know. and i think we're seeing something similar with the mcchrystal case. you're seeing a disrespect of civilian command. there are very, very clear federal laws and military policies regarding this. the men themselves being ordered to do this were protesting saying look, this is not right, this is illegal and still they continued to do it. i think it speaks to how desperate they are to explain to the civilian command. >> i think it's different telling jokes about joe biden, which is relatively harmless in effect, in effect, and manipulating politicians who come over to get t...