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Would generate revenue it would help us to become energy independent. we see pipelines that have approval requests in that blue state governors and this president are sitting on. and what we need to could is take this opportunity to drive down the cost not just short-term but long term as well. it's not just about economic security but physical security. >> steve: congressman mast, new question out to you. new poll out says 77% of americans support banning russian oil even if it means higher prices. 70% of americans blame joe biden for prices. this is a midterm election year. that's not good f...

Sector intimidating employees out of organizing? public sector employees tend to organize much more frequently than private sector employees. why is that the case? >> that's to me or the governor? >> you, senator. >> well, in part because of the huge industrial job loss has been overwhelmingly good-paying union jobs that have been outsourced to china, gone to mexico, whatever. there have been very sophisticated and expensive anti-union am pains aimed at organizers when we try to organize. i think almost all surveys show that many, many, many more people who aren't in unions would like to join ...

Mexico, whatever. there have been very sophisticated and expensive anti-union am pains aimed at organizers when we try to organize. i think almost all surveys show that many, many, many more people who aren't in unions would like to join if they get an opportunity to. but the laws don't always work that way in their favor. and we would have a stronger middle class, a more affluent society, more people would have pensions, more people would have health care. i don't want to take it away from public sector workers. i want to help private sector workers get those benefits. >> let's go to governor...

List, there's a lot of us new governors who got elected to do something big. >> you're the first domino. >> yep. this is our moment. >> this is our moment. you know, i was thinking of the movie "goonies" where the kids were going after one-eyed willy saying this is our moment. this is our moment? what is he talking about, governor? this is their chance to nail the unions. it sounds like, you know an ast no, ma'amic opportunity to nail the other guy and has nothing to do with the budget. >> chris, i tell you what else it has nothing to do with. it has nothing to do with job creation. i mean, ev...

Koch, the big conservative money guy. let's listen to that conversation. this is probably better tharn any press conference because he doesn't know he's being listened to by us. let's listen. >> i talk to kasich every day. you know, john's got to stand firm in ohio. i think we do the same thing with rick scott in florida. i think snyder, if he got a little more support probably could do that in michigan. i mean, you start going down the list, there's a lot of us new governors who got elected to do something big. >> you're the first domino. >> yep. this is our moment. >> this is our moment. you...