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A police officer and a couple of others -- a couple of other state workers -- state workers. it was interesting because what the teacher said, one of the things they bargain over collectively is class size and the police officer said, one of the things that some police departments -- some police officers do is bargain over actually having bulletproof vests. so this is about safety. it's about education. it's not only about their wagesç it's about lifting people in this country up. and that's what collective bargain's done is by creating the middle class for the last eight deck sides. >> it's ...

Government and not manipulate it psychologically? i want to go back to eric bates on this again. i know it's a rhetorical question. i know the answer, they ought to know. >> they ought to know and i think that we're seeing something -- what's similar in the mcchrystal case. a disrespect of civilian command. are there very, very clear federal laws and military policies regarding this. the men themselves who are being ordered to do this were protesting and saying, look, this is not right, this is illegal, and still they continue to do it. i think it speaks how desperate they are to try and convi...

>> eric bates is editor of "rolling stone" and john pooiks a military analyst and director of globalsecurity.org. gentlemen, start with this -- eric bates. congratulations. i don't know if eligible for the pulitzer prize but you ought on win it with this, baby. this is manchurian candidate. the fact that we're using state-of-the-art srqák brainwashing to go after our own civilian people who are in charge of setting policies, amazing. don't they give these generals copies of the institution, eric? >> well, apparently not in this case. the general met him more than a dozen times with the leader...