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26. What did that come to mean . My understanding, ambassador sondlands use of that term was the three people in charge of ukraine policy during the summer where he, gordon sondland, ambassador volker and secretary perry. What did you come to, when did you come to learn about mr. Giulianis role and what do you consider his role to have been . I first heard about former mayor giulianis interest in ukraine in january of this year, that was a different phase than what happened during the summertime. Was it normal to have a person who is a privat citizen take an active role in foreign diplomacy . I did not find his particular engagement normal, no. Now, Ambassador Taylor, you testified that there are two channels, a regular and irregular. What did you see as Rudy Giulianis role in ukraine policy . Congresswoman, i came to see that mr. Giuliani had a large influence on the irre ....
the president of the united states was on the telephone call on the 25th of july, yes, sir. thank you. i yield back. mr. hurt. thank you, chairman. gentlemen, i appreciate your decade of service as the fabled foreign service officer ambassador ryan crocker said because we have pumps and wing tips on the ground meaning diplomats, that prevents us from having the need to have boots on the ground, important in our national security and thank you and your colleagues. mr. taylor, my first questions are to you and these are questions that are on years prior to your time in the ukraine but pretty sure you can answer them. did the ukrainians get military get aid in fy 17? yes. they get any aid in fy yes, sir, they did get assistance. they got security assistance as well. they did. if i said that number was circa, in military assistance ....