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North korea. >> we have very much in mind the libya model from 2003 and 2004 and there are differences, the program was much smaller, but that is basically the agreement that we made. >> reporter: in that case, after agreeing to disarm, gadhafi was overthrown and killed several years later. the north koreans also protesting joint military exercises between south korea and the u.s. complaining they are ruining the diplomatic mood. >> if they want to meet, the president will be ready and the president will be prepared and if not, that is okay. >> she said if the meeting does get called off, the ...

Policy. but nonetheless there are ways that you can communicate these things, and i think that we hear in the administration really is they were just needling the north koreans. they were going to accepted this brush pack pitch, as john said. but the administration didn't have to do it in a way to aggravate the situation. >> let's talk one more step about the libya model. it was very provacative. they were told you're going to give us everything right off the bat. then the obama administration bombed there like crazy. didn't go to congress. a whole other discussion i would love to have. and th...

With gadhafi, would the west have intervened? maybe, maybe not. there will be some carrots given to north korea in the form of economic assistance or in the form of we in essence have a security guarantee like we did with cuba rg something along those lines. we're not interest in invading north korea. maybe china holds that security blanket. but a long term nonnuclearized north korea is essential. my concern is if this doesn't happen, we are at the churchill kind of moment where we are looking forward and saying do we want a world where anyone can get nukes or do we need to stand strong now? >...

If it's in the newspapers, a couple of ours by david sanger, who is scholar at the wilson center writing a book on cyber. >> we had him on the show twice already. >> he is brilliant. that's why we chose him. he has written two articles, one how we are expanding and modernizing our nuclear arsenal as we are asking both iran and north korea to disarm theirs. that's one. and the second one is to adequately monitor the denuclearization of north korea will take hundreds of people more of the capacity that the iaea has. kim is looking at this, you would think and thinking, oh, my god, i could end up...

North korea made clear in the statement that's not what they have in mind. >> also, you know, it's great that you pick out the libyan model. there is another looming model. we all know what happened to gadhafi. you referred to this -- there was a plan to let journalists come and see what is alleged to be the dismantling of one of the nuclear test sites by the north koreans. we don't know what's going to happen with that. how big a deal is that? >> well, this also isn't the first time we have seen something like that, chris. this ceremony to dismantle a nuclear testing site. it is almost exactl...