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Over and over. irrelevaversible and verifiable. he would use the issue from 2003 and like ybya. when you hear kim jong-un and they are using the libya example. what happened to gadhafi in 2011? does that influence your thinking? >> well, it certainly could. now all of a sudden, you are feeling more threatened than you would otherwise. this certainly is kind of a diplomatic chess game going on right now. so much of it. especially this is the case with the criticism of the people perhaps getting out ahead of themselves and saying that there is going to be something definitely positive that comes...

Some of those concrete steps before easing those sapnctions? we don't know that yet. >> everything is looking at, what do we base this on? they talk about what happened in libya with gadhafi was still in power. we're looking at what north korea committed to previously, and most importantly, going back over a quarter century to the joint south and north denuclearization agreement. i said, wait a minute, gadhafi is dead. gadhafi lost power and it did not end well. blakely says i heard directly from the chinese that the libya model did not inspire confidence in pyongyang. i would be very concerne...

Very sophisticated at dividing what trump says publicly and the private messages they are getting from the white house and other people in the administration. the north koreans themselves are very, very good at saying all sorts of outrageous statements as a negotiating tactic, then privately having a very, very different perspective. so i don't actually think the moves on the iran deal have much of an effect. i think what has a much bigger effect is bolton's comments yesterday where he compared this to libya. i think that's going to be very worrying to a lot of north koreans to understand what...

Iran's nuclear weapons program. we thought they shut down their weapons program in 2003. so we have to see the evidence that the israeli government is putting forward at the top of the hour. i suspect it's going to be something about weaponization. there are three parts to a nuclear weapons. weaponry, centrifuges, and weaponization is very hard to detect. i'm talking about creating a warhead through computer modeling, simulation and fashioning the warhead that would go on a nuclear weapon. if israel has evidence of that, that would be a major breach, that could spark this unraveling of the dea...

I haven't seen any evidence that they will give up nuclear weapons which for kim jong-un would be like kmieti -- committing suicide because he saw what happened to gadhafi and saddam hussein and they were overthrown by the united states and that is not a example he will follow. >> what is your advice for president trump for the summit? >> i think he needs to go in open eyed and not be credulous or call him open and honorable and saying they are about to denuclearize. be very realistic. i'm in favor of talking to them but don't expect expectations from the summit and that may draw us closer to ...