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Denuclearization. wait a second. that's flat out false. they're not going to denuclearize, kim jong-un saw what happened to dictators like gadhafi or saddam hussein. he's not agreed to anything like that right now. >> so things are in conflict, right? you have president's tweet, what sarah sanders saying, and the "the wall street journal" reporting writing this, when the president says he will not make the mistakes of the past, that means u.s. will not be making substantial concessions such as lifting sanctions until north korea substantially dismantled its nuclear program. if that's the actua...

Coming up. the nuclear freeze decision was a good decision and green light from the north koreans. >> healthy skepticism about the intentions. paula hancocks, thank you. >> joining us is hugo. the editorial director of "the washington examiner." a couple of gop leaders who were skeptical of the intentions and developments of the north korean to get to denuclearization. let's listen. >> he views nuclear weapons as the ticket to dying as an old man in his bed. he saw what happened with gadhafi. gadhafi is a dead man because he gave up his nuclear weapons. to think somebody will go in and charm h...

One of the reasons the united states succeeded was there was a thread that ran from truman all the way through bush 41 and there was a consistency in the deals that we made and the policies that we pursued between republican and democratic administrations alike. but as we talk about the iran deal and the north korean deal, let's just look what's happened over the past decade. we struck a deal with gadhafi to get his wmds. we got him to agree to discontinue the program and disarm the program and went in and killed him. we struck a deal with the iranians in a deal that there was great debate in ...

That's enough. you don't need any more nuclear tests -- >> it's not like we're doing any more testing because of the goodwill. it's more that we're done -- >> since it was a unilateral -- these can cancel next week or next month, or after meeting trump, we changed our minds, who will hold their feet to the fire? nobody. >> bobby, you think kim jong-un is feeling squeezed at all? or you -- >> i don't think there's many reasons to believe that. my friends in south korea don't see much sign of that. >> the two leaders. >> eddy brought up sort of a history with regards to gadhafi.

He saw what happened with gadhafi. gadhafi's a dead man now because he gave up his nuclear weapons. and so to think that somebody is going to go in and charm him out of that is not realistic. is there some progress that could be made? i hope so. that's a big hurdle. >> obviously the senator was talking about kim jong-un and his perspective. do you agree with him? is gadhafi a dead man because he gave up nuclear weapons and that's why kim jong-un will never do it? >> well, you know, i wouldn't want to speculate what kim jong-un would do or not do. denuclearization has to be no nuclear weapons a...