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Question, anderson. >> jeff, i appreciates it more on what an fbi investigation is equipped to uncover and how the fact finding process can and should be reconciled with the political process and the constitutional framework for the senate's duty to advise and consent. former federal judge nancy get yourner. if there's no nonpartisan investigation as it seems likely at this point, should ford agree to appear at a hearing on monday in your in your opinion? >> it's a political issue to some degree. i think she would be the best for her to do would be to appear under protest. people are saying th...

Clean. there's no issue, no collusion. and i think they're setting standards and requirements that they know mueller can't meet that mueller would not meet to justify no conversation with mueller, tolet mize that. i can't imagine mueller has all the cards here. he doesn't have to agree to any of this. >> matt miller and nancy get yourner, good to have you both. as we said, house speaker paul ryan's admission yesterday he's seen no evidence of a spy planned in the trump campaign has opened the floodgates for other gop lawmakers to push back on the president's claim including today senator lin...

Does' problem a subpoena to the president, does' problem a report being released to congress, other little things along the way. they want to put just enough pressure maybe some decisions go their way. >> does that make sense to you, nancy? >> i think more is going on here. i think there is no way on earth that any credible lawyer would recommend that trump give an interview to mueller. nobody would ever do that. i think they're creating a series of trip wires here so that they can say over and over again, we really want to talk to mueller, we really want to come clean. there's no issue, no co...

Over and over about destroying evidence that you just talk about destroying evidence. for the latest on the efforts to derail the trump probe, matt miller, spokesperson during the obama administration and retired federal judge nancy get yourner, senior lecturer at harvard law school. matt, the conspiracy theories have gotten increasingly baroque and sort of hard to even track or follow, and increasingly discredititied. there's like a full-court press over there right now that only intensifies day by day. >> you even have this weird thing where the president twice in the last couple days has pu...

To little bits and take the sim cards out, how would that work out for all the people robert mueller is requesting phones from. >> my advice to them not really kidding, bad advice, would be follow hillary's you know lead. delete them, acid wash them, bust them up, take out the sim cards and say here, mr. mueller. i'm following hillary's lead. >> please, he's making people nervous. >> boom, crack it up and ansay here, mr. mueller. courtesy of hillary. >> it's just a joke that you say over and over about destroying evidence that you just talk about destroying evidence. for the latest on the effo...