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Does' problem a subpoena to the president, does' problem a report being released to congress, other little things along the way. they want to put just enough pressure maybe some decisions go their way. >> does that make sense to you, nancy? >> i think more is going on here. i think there is no way on earth that any credible lawyer would recommend that trump give an interview to mueller. nobody would ever do that. i think they're creating a series of trip wires here so that they can say over and over again, we really want to talk to mueller, we really want to come clean. there's no issue, no co...

It's kind of the playbook they used in the clinton investigation which is to heap pressure on the justice department, pressure from the conservative media, pressure from the campaign trail, pressure from congress. they know that this investigation won't be shut down, bob mueller will not be fired. rod rosenstein can't do that. just as jim comey gave hem little things that turned out to be big things like that press conference that, had a huge impact, there are going to be big decisions they want to go their way. does' problem a subpoena to the president, does' problem a report being released t...