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Clean. there's no issue, no collusion. and i think they're setting standards and requirements that they know mueller can't meet that mueller would not meet to justify no conversation with mueller, tolet mize that. i can't imagine mueller has all the cards here. he doesn't have to agree to any of this. >> matt miller and nancy get yourner, good to have you both. as we said, house speaker paul ryan's admission yesterday he's seen no evidence of a spy planned in the trump campaign has opened the floodgates for other gop lawmakers to push back on the president's claim including today senator lin...

Does' problem a subpoena to the president, does' problem a report being released to congress, other little things along the way. they want to put just enough pressure maybe some decisions go their way. >> does that make sense to you, nancy? >> i think more is going on here. i think there is no way on earth that any credible lawyer would recommend that trump give an interview to mueller. nobody would ever do that. i think they're creating a series of trip wires here so that they can say over and over again, we really want to talk to mueller, we really want to come clean. there's no issue, no co...