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What we consider the proper supervision to go out to be able to assess the environment and the young gangsters that go out on the paint crew, they respect the old veterans even if theyve gotten reformed. They dont so much respect the city work [speaker not understood]. Thats how it worked with us. Okay, anybody else up there want to comment on that . Im going to run over here because its over here. Had his hand up for a little while. If i could get you to stand up. This is a softball for dpw. I want to know where you get the funding that you give out as grant funding, lets say street smarts. I...

Those boxes. They threatened to sue our city when they tried to get them involved in the mural program. I think the one suggestion i might have for you is you start documenting the number of times that youre actually painting out there box and you start generating a bill along with a letter and send it to them. I think thats probably your best strategy so you can show the amount of cost that youre actually spending abating something thats theirs. And from that point then you have to have your policy makers or engage them. I mean, because thats pretty much [inaudible]. Its not unique. Trust me,...

Because that pigment on the surface was taken, but the design is still there. A good example is van ness and ellis not too far from here. And there is a corner building, beautiful onestory brick building. And you see shadow over shadow over shadow. I think its to me, its almost like the vandals are laughing at us. Larry, did you want to respond to that . Yeah. So, we photograph all the tags and the inspectors go out and look at them. If the actual tack has been removed, then the graffiti is considered removed. The fact that the ghosting stays there, it becomes a very difficult thing at what le...

Would be where i would want to be. If they showed they made the effort to remove it, unless its extremely bad, i think theyre doing their Due Diligence to try and remove the graffiti. All right, thank you. Do you want to is that one red or is that because there was red and it was asked by the same person. It was red and then asked by the same person. You know what, i can see a bunch of hands up here. Iv see this guy back here with his hand up a couple a half hour now. If im going to be honest about it. So, were going to have him ask your question. Yeah, this is to dpw, but how do you cite your...

Products are safe for use on all heritage buildings. And so thats how weve been able to handle our heritage buildings. I think most of my experience here in the states is it has more to do with the qualifications if its designated listed historic property, then it tends to shift over to the qualifications have to be somebody that has a certain degree and conservation or that kind of thing. So, its probably similar. Its some qualification type program. Alrighty, thank you. I have a question over here. Somebody get back here, if i could get you to stand up. Your name is frank . Yes. Ive got two ...