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Calling chiefs of station around the world and being down into the daytoday involvement . That did not happen to my knowledge. The interaction between the National Security staff in the Central Intelligence agency was almost exclusively, not largely but most exclusively between mr. Mcdonough and mr. Brennan and me. And so i guess what im wondering is it that because of your level because we have all these he all these enough to show a variety of people under them that were involved in these talking points and other things and i guess where im going is the light that shines on the daytoday operations, what does that tell us about not only how this administration works but the bigger institutional dangers let me back up for just a second. The cia 33 years . Yes sir. Would you say the cia is more independent today than it was when you entered or less . From micromanagem ....