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Considering launching an impeachment podcast. do you think that's a good idea from a legal perspective? >> i would have to say no. i can't imagine that the president's personal legal team or the white house counsel would be thrilled that giuliani is podcasting his views on impeachment. he is apparently the subject, possibly the target of grand jury proceedings. his involvement in ukraine is the subject of all of this testimony. his business dealings are the subject of this testimony. he was in regular communication with donald trump. so why he would decide that he's going to have his own sort ...

If the question was actual diplomacy, but if volker is acting as a liaison because they want to investigate vice president biden and get political dirt then he's doing something that isn't about american national interests, but is in the president's personal interest. what we need to understand is was that what volker was doing? did he push back? did he say this is inappropriate and why was he removed from office? was he removed from office because he did push back and raise red flags about what giulia giuliani was doing. >> he resigned. there are reports that he may not have noted to resign a...

The truth. mike pompeo before he was in this administration was a house republican. while maybe not much of a household name as jim jordan or trey gowdy, he was of that click. a rabid house republican who beat his chest about benghazi. that's who our secretary of state is. he's not acting like the secretary of state, he's acting like rnc chairman. the person acting like secretary of state is rudy giuliani. not only is he not qualified, but he's making a mess of it. think of it this way, if rudy were to call up one of our nato allies and say this is general giuliani, ignore what he said, you wo...

Giulia giuliani. >> i never met him or had phone calls with him. >> earlier today, they are trying to find out about what giuliani was doing, what kind of investigation was he carrying out in this role as the president's private attorney and dirt digger. i spoke to the former foreign minister for five years. he was a foreign minister while joe biden was vice president. and i asked what he thought about this exploration mission and he said that many of them were quite uncomfortable about this whole thing and uncomfortable about this private envoy's role. >> did you know about giuliani's missi

Impeachment saga. let's break it down with nbc's hans nichols at the white house, geoff bennett is on capitol hill once again. also with us, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. thank you all for being me. house democrats leading this impeachment inquiry have issued the subpoena to rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer. what do we know about what they're looking for from mr. giulia giuliani? >> since the theory of the case that democrats are building against president trump is that he used the office of the president for personal gain by leaning on ukrainian counterpart to di...