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I wonder what your reaction is to these leaked videos? >> first, i think what the president did interfering with the military justice system is wrong. it hurts america, our strength and values, what we fight for and who we are as a nation. the president's actions really trample on american values. it's a shameful day when the president issued his pardons. he should allow the process of justice go forward to show not only americans but the world we stand by our values. >> i want to talk to you about impeachment. your senate minority leader, chuck schumer has taken offense that he won't be an im...

Conscious you have to step down. this case is so wacky, i don't think there's any way to put it, spencer at the same time, according to defense secretary mark esper, who fired him yesterday, was engaged in a back channel negotiation with the white house to try and resolve the gallagher case, to let a review of his status as navy s.e.a.l. go forward but somehow have a guarantee ahead of time at the end of that review, which was supposed to be impartial, that gallagher would get to remain a navy s.e.a.l. and retire honorably. if you're following all that and it's confusing to you, it is confusin...

Michael steel, maria teresa kumar, and fiona hill former colleague, maybe a future one, ben wittes who is also an nbc analyst. heidi, i want to put up, guys, i want to put up full screen number two. because full screen number two is the email gordon sond land sent that these are basically all the people in the loop in the investigation from donald trump, mike pence, giuliani, pompeo, bolton, rick perry, mccormick, blair. these are all people who haven't testified. in a normer investigation, you would be like, oh, my god, they have to figure out how to get these people. should they be done? >> ...

Documents as well. it's not the case if the democrats decide not to go forward with getting more, they won't eventually come out. >> very quickly, i want to ask you this question. we know sdny is investigating parnas and rudy and furman. if adam schiff or the judiciary committee wanted some access either to them as witnesses or anything, is that something bill barr would have to approve? >> well, you know, the new york prosecutors are notoriously very independent. so that normally would not go to the level of the attorney general or even the deputy attorney general. and that would be done at a...

>> so is it your understanding then that president trump disregarded the advice of his senior officials about this theory and instead listened to rudy giuliani's views? >> that appears to be the case, yes. >> by promoting this theory of ukrainian interference in the 2016 election, was president trump adopting vladimir putin's view over his own senior advisers and intelligence officials? >> i think we have to be very careful about the way that we phrase that. this is a view that president putin and the russian security surfa services and many actors in russia have promoted. but i think that thi...