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was listening to the great interesting conversation with kelly about it being difficult to prove -- but this stench think, you know, you remember there used to be a day when that kind of stuff just lead to shame in and of itself. and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that's not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. >> well, the shame issue here, i, think is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful t...

and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that's not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. >> well, the shame issue here, i think, is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful to use government service or family connection to government service, to make private gain for yourself, and have private business game. because they use this as a way to try to attack president biden's family, for example, all the...

New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) on Sunday doubled down on his commitment to support the eventual GOP presidential nominee, even if it’s former President Trump. In an interview on CBS News’s “Face the Nation,” Margaret Brennan repeatedly pushed Sununu to explain why he would support Trump as the hypothetical nominee, despite previously saying Trump…

This will absolutely continue to be fodder for the republican base, especially the maga base. everyone who's words donald trump. but governor sununu's right. you're not going to have independent suburban women going to say oh yeah, now i'm gonna support donald trump even more. >> everyone, great point. stick around, we have a lot more to talk about, a lot more to unpack. erin? >> laura, let's bring in one of trump's 2024 rivals, will hurd. congressman, i appreciate your time. so here we are, 45-page sweeping indictment. you just heard laura speaking to the former trump white house lawyer jim s...

That's a good thing for you. >> what about the american people, gloria? i mean, to your point, we just laid out all of the different versions of the explanations here. i mean, there is a jury who needs to buy that, but also american voters would need to buy that. what do you think? >> i think, look, i think there is a base of people who are gonna support donald trump no matter what. they are gonna think it's a hoax. they are gonna think it's a weaponized justice department and we heard all that, including from many republican members of congress. i think as you go down the road here and you st...