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But i want to ask you about the accusations that started this as to their voracity. first of all, the whistle-blower who apparently was not on the call advised the icig that he or she was concerned that the president's conduct constituted under title 50 usc section 3033 quite a serious problem abuse or violation of law and executive order, end quote. again, to be clear you didn't hear a violation of law or executive order as you listened to the call? >> sir, i made no judgment about any illegal conduct occurring. >> the whistle-blower also reported in starting this inquiry asserted that presid...

Investigate without spending time investigating a debunked conspiracy theory? >> there's all kinds of corruption to investigate in ukraine. >> but nonetheless you proposed they go ahead and do this investigation with something you thought was thought merit because this was part of an effort to fix the problem giuliani was creating? >> i did not propose it. >> well i think you said you were okay with it or you amended statements to include it because if it would help fix the giuliani problem, was that the thinking? >> yes, that's correct. if it threads the needle between what is reasonable for ...

>> and you testified ambassador sondland and the president had spoken before the july 25th call? >> that is correct. >> and presumably the white house situation room keeps a record of those calls. >> sir, that was how i was able to confirm it. >> you testified your staff prepared a briefing memo with suggested points for the president to raise on july 25th, points that were consistent with u.s. policy, is that correct? >> that's correct, congressman. >> but the president didn't use those points, did he? >> no, sir, he did not. >> so you prepared materials for the president. your prepared mater...

I think she might have coined it the gordon problem. and i decided to keep track of what ambassador sondland was doing. i didn't necessarily always act on things gordon suggested he believed were important. >> so that was a senior nsc official casting doubt ahead of the testimony. they stood out for their tone. republicans will wanted to curr favor with trump." andrew dechlt siderio, congressional reporter for politico, was in the hearing room again today and is with us again tonight. andrew, is this a setup? because it seems to me sondland already had a tough job going in there tomorrow morni...

He ever raise it, but he did not raise it at the time of the 25 july phone call. >> switching gears a little bit, you strike me as a process guy. and it is nagging at me because you characterized the ambassador sondland linking in whatever way it happened of aid to an investigation as the gordon problem. you said it caused you to roll your eyes, ambassador volker said it was everybody in the july 10th meeting thought it was inappropriate, john bolton characterized this as the drug deal. so seems like everybody in the room understands there's a huge problem here. my understanding is it would be...