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Than what you're looking at now, as you said, this was the scare of phil murphy's life here, apparently the murphy campaign, not even republicans in new jersey, thought this was going to be that competitive, he wins by 16 a year ago, maybe were murphy winds by a point and a half. >> quickly i think this story here, i was running the numbers. virginia was a high turnout election, you have ciattarelli getting about 66% of donald trump's vote total. a year ago. in murphy getting about 46% in run, an enormous democratic turnout drop off. as one of the big stories here. >> i think democratic dropof...

But recall is rarely used, except in the last decade or so. big money has been able to put recalls successfully before the people. now, this one is going to go down to defeat because for a very simple reason. it has no rationale. and the people willing to succeed governor newsom are ridiculous. i mean, their values, their proposals are so far from -- from california, they belong in a foreign country or something. so the recall, i think, it paradoxically is going to strengthen governor newsom and what he is trying to do. so, yeah, we've had this thing since johnson, a governor back in 1913 putt...