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Plays on the board. >> exactly. i'm a cheap guy. >> greg, how would you envision this? you talk about wanting to own the resource on the farm yourself as opposed to leagues the land. it's as if instead of growing corn, you're growing windmills. what's the barrier to doing something like that? >> well, i would agree with mr. pickens. it comes right down to price. and, you know, when our biggest utility in the state decided they liked wind energy, they wanted a guaranteed rate of return for their wind energy so they went to the legislature and did that. independents can't get it, so now we've go...

I would be able to get a guaranteed rate of return for m injure a ratepayer. and drive the customers' costs up. but independents like myself don't get to operate under that scenario in the states. >> is there a way to level the playing field so that guys like him can sell electricity? >> i don't know what kind of deal that warren made, i'm not familiar with the iowa situation. i know this, greg, that you and i both are going to get a chance to make money in the wind at some point, and it's not going to be too far out. i'd say you're going to have $6 gas within two or three years. >> that's a p...

>> thank you. but we've had -- we've logged a lot of time on this subject, we have. >> yes. >> and it's good for america what we're doing. it is good for america. it has to be done and it has to be done now. >> i believe it. listen, i look forward to talking with you more about this tonight at the town hall. >> thanks. >> t. boone picken, it's been clear that washington simply is not willing to tackle this crisis. at least it hasn't been for decades. that's why we have convened this energy summit, to bring together people with different ideas with the same ultimate agenda, to free america from...

security. >> obviously the situation in the middle east implicates our energy security. >> steel on wheels, moving the energy debate into the fast lane with ideas to power this country into the future and cross one of those trillion dollar problems off the list in the process. after all our travels across america, the final steel on wheels starts right now. good afternoon to you live from the campus of oklahoma state university. nice to see you. the sun is shiepining and we'vet a great group gathered, including our town hall tonight on campus and streaming live around the world on ...