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Think it's urgent. >> it's interesting. politicians misread the american public as well. in the last election, chris, 70% of the transportation infrastructure referendums calling for more tolls, taxes, or borrowing, passed. even in 2010, 61% passed. in other recent elections 78% passed. when the voters know what they're spending their money on, in charleston a red state, charleston, south carolina, they raised their own sales tax by referendum to invest in the poor in charleston. they knew the port was essential to their economic growth. >> greg, i want to come back to you and talk -- i want t...

American society of civil engineers gives the u.s. an overall d plus grade showing that america still needs some tutoring when it comes to improving infrastructure. with me now to talk about the latest infrastructure report card is the president of the afce greg d. loreto and msnbc news political analyst and former governor of pennsylvania and i would add former mayor of philadelphia ed rendell. governor rendell is now the cochair of building america's future, educational fund, a group that advocates for a stronger national effort in upgrading infrastructure. greg, i want to start with you. le...

Roads d. this is humbling. tell me what you make of it. i'm interested in your take as a former politician, a recovering politician maybe. every politician says they want to invest in infrastructure. i feel like it's in every state of the union address ever and yet look at the grades greg's organization is giving us for it. >> well, the truth is every politician says it but they don't act upon it. interestingly, stimulus because of the tiger grants gave a lot of money to rail freight and rail went from a c minus to c plus the greatest improvement in the last five years on the report. president...

You sit in traffic. because our roads are congested. since 1980 vehicles on the roads have increased by 105%. our lanes have increased by 4%. you waste more gas sitting in traffic than a five cent increase in the gas tax would cost you if you were an average driver. but we've got to get americans to think long term. this is a long-term investment. every one of the g-20 nations has made it in the last 15 years. it's time for america to do what we've always done. do big things. invest in our infrastructure. >> you'll always be the mayor of philadelphia to me, governor rendell. >> thanks. >> than...